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January 7, 1999

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Angels Declaring War on humans?

I was wondering could you tell me if there is anything written about a second war in heaven whereby the Angels declare war on humans because they are jealous of the grace we have received from God through Jesus Christ??????????????????? [sic]

Actually, the angels don't understand the "grace" we receive. "To them it was revealed that not to themselves, but to us, they ministered the things which are now reported to you by those who have preached the gospel to you in the Holy Spirit sent from Heaven; which things the angels desire [long/covet] to look into. (1Pt1:12)

The only "warfare" and "jealousy" Scripture records is between the fallen angels/Lucifer and God. Lucifer desired, "I will be like the Most High." (Is14:14) And the warfare is ..."And there was war in Heaven. Michael and his angels warring against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels warred, (Rev12:7) ...and the result of this warfare is the casting out of Satan and his fellow-fallen angels from heaven. In this context the "war on humans" is against those who believe in Jesus Christ. (Rev12:17)

However, in taking "all" of Scripture as a whole, if we understand Lucifer's boast against God, and the fact that man was made "in the image of God" (Gen1:27) ...it helps us understand "why" he deceives humanity for the ultimate purpose/goal that they might not receive Jesus Christ (Jn1:12) who is the "seed" of the woman (Gen3:15) with Whom he is in antagonism.

The whole of human history is an account of Satan's "warfare" on humanity. But that warfare is because of his warfare against God.


Blood of Christ:

A professing Christian friend of mine just asked me, what the blood of Jesus means? I told him about the OT times when a high priest used to sacrifice a blemish free "lamb" for forgiveness of sins, and that Jesus became the blemish free lamb for all times...the shed blood defeating satan.. and basically a sacrifice for our sins. Then he goes on to ask if it is the literal blood or symbolism...and how it relates to communion and what it means when Christians plead the blood. I really did not know what he was getting at. It all seems so plain to me. What would your answer have been?

When Jesus died, it was His "literal" blood which saves (1Pt1:19) because the "life is in the blood." (Lev17:14) In other words, He "died." Shedding of blood (life) in that manner is, actually, dying. So, for semantical purposes, Jesus shedding His blood and dying are synonymous. They represent the same thing. BECAUSE, He was the "last Adam" (1Cor15:45) who was paying the "wages of sin" (Rom6:23) which the first Adam committed and incurred upon the whole human race. (1Cor15:22) The promise had been, "when you eat...you will die." (Gen2:17) And the promise of Christ's coming was first given in Gen3:15. But there would be 4000 years before Christ would actually fulfill that. So, symbolicly, the animal sacrifice was instituted...but the animal sacrifices, themselves, did not save. (Heb10:4) It was "Faith." (Heb11:4)

Regarding communion... The catholics with their "eucharist" believe in "transubstantiation." In other words, the wafer becomes the "actual body" of Christ, and the wine the "actual blood." They are continually "sacrificing" Christ over and over when they "celebrate." But Heb 6:6 speaks quite clearly about that... "shaming" Christ, because He died "once" (for all time)(Heb9:28) And thus, He cried out, "It is finished!" (Jn19:30)

At the "last supper" when Jesus said, "this is My blood.." (Mt26:28, Mk14:24) it could not have been His "literal" blood. He was still alive, reclined at the table. His own blood was coursing through His (physical) veins. That statement HAD TO BE "symbolic." Paul says that the Lord's Supper is a "showing" (announce,declare,proclaim) of the Lord's death. A picture of it. "symbolic"


Touched by an Angel:

Many in my church, including my pastor are all very involved in the TV show TOUCHED BY AN ANGEL. My pastor actually makes references to the show during his sermon's. My question is twofold, what you think of the TV show, and how should I go about correcting their error. I have watched the show several times and am convinced that it is"DOCTRINS OF DEMONS" 1 Timothy 4:1-2

This show is very popular, and I was wondering if you would be interested in doing an expose on it. Any comments and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

A. (12-30-98)
As it so happens, about a week ago a commentary was written for January, which will likely get mailed to the e-list middle of next week. It includes some comments about Roma Downey, Touched by an Angel, and angels/demons in general...and what that's all about.

To answer you specifically:

1) I stopped watching Touched by an Angel a long time ago. 'watched maybe two episodes...which was QUITE "enough" for me. If you've been reading VW stuff for very long, you have seen my spelling of the word "graaeeeessss" (with varying numbers of "e"s and "s"s) The -spirit- of the pretend "christians" who proclaim the false "graeeesss" is the same as the -soft- manner of Roma on the show. This sssssoft hisssss is from the sssserpent. (Gen3:1~) This ssssoftnesssss is a hypnotic, messmerizing influence, which causes the hearers of the message to not think twice...and they accept it, swallowing it down whole. After all, that ssssoftnesss is so "nicessss", "loving" and full of "peacessssss."

But what we, as Christians, must do is:

2) Hear the message they proclaim, and compare it to Scripture.

Recently I saw a promo clip for the show in which Roma was saying to somebody words similar to, "you're just as good as God." Well, this is satan's original lie to Eve, "you shall be as God..." (Gen3:5) ...which was his own sin, "I will be like the Most High." (Is14:14)

She and Oprah should share a show, because their doctrine is the same. The goodness within. That "god" is within us, all we need to do is, simply, realize that fact. That we need to trust in ourselves. Where Scripture says, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean -NOT- to your own understanding." (Pr3:5)

You are QUITE correct. It -IS- "doctrines of demons." The only hope for your church is if they believe the Scriptures. If they don't, there is no hope. But if they do, then, when your pastor makes reference to the show, do your own homework, and find how it compares to Scripture. If it doesn't agree, show your pastor the Scriptures. ...as the Bereans did. They "searched the Scriptures daily to see if those things were so." (Acts17:11)

Further comments: (01-06-99)

In response to the commentary, someone sent a paste from a website with a commentary about and quotes from "Touched by an Angel" I'd like to share portions of here. You can find the complete article at: Kjos Ministries

In an episode a sodomite who is dying of aids bemoans the fact that he didn't -turn out right- and that God must be displeased with him, that he has become a "disappointment" to God. The -angel- responds, "No you're not [a disappointment]. In God's eyes you are His beautiful child. I am an angel. I was sent by God to bring you a message: God loves you." - "That's not what I've heard." - "What you've heard were someone else's words of hate and confusion. But God is not the source of hate and confusion. God is the source and the completer of your faith. And that's what you need right now, faith that God really knows who you are. No one's perfect...but God."

You see. This is the "graaeeeeesss" we talk about that many pretend "christians" proclaim. No "repentance" is necessary. Just have enough -faith-, and recognize your own worth. This person's conscience was telling him that he was sinful; that he "messed up". Ooooh, nooo! Don't worry about that. Like Satan said to Eve when she proclaimed God's promise of -death- for disobedience, "Did God [really] say...? (Gen3:1) Oh, heavens no! "God knows...." (vs5) "...you'll be just like God."

And so we come to -their- statements about "God." "I am one with God, I am one with all men, I am one with all life." So says Della Reese who plays the -senior- angel Tess. Whereas Paul proclaims, "by Him [Jesus Christ] all things consist." (Col1:17) and... "He gives life and breath and all things to all...in Him we live and move and have our being." (Acts17:25,28) And "I AM" says of Himself, "To whom will you compare Me, and make Me equal, and compare Me, that we may be alike?" (Is46:5) All this current "new" stuff is not -new- at all. It goes back to Genesis 3. Just new -packaging- for TV and these "Last Days" we live in.


Jesus appearing in visions?

[Ed: The following is an answer to an e-mail which was too "personal" to post here. But is a subject related to several others in this grouping. In this case, of Jesus -appearing- in a vision. I think the answer stands on its own without the question.]

If I have not been -in- someone else's dream...seen it as they did...I'm hesitant to speak dogmatically. But I have had some dreams of my own. Some which I'm still waiting to know their outcome and truth. But they were simply dreams of physical people I know.

But there was a dream I had, which, having evaluated it, I have come to realize, since, what its source was...because it was a sort of "supernatural" dream like yours. The source was -NOT- from God.

First of all, let's look at Scripture, and then analyze your dream as best we can from a "distance" like this.

Jesus said to Thomas that he had seen [Jesus] and believed. "Blessed are they who have -not- seen and have believed." (Jn20:29)

When Jesus went up into heaven, He did so -from- the Mt. Olives, and the angels said that He would come back in the same way they had seen Him go up. (Acts1:11) Which is something prophesied in Zech 14:4. Back -to- the Mt. of Olives.

Furthermore, Jesus said, "if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ! Or, there! Do not believe it." (Mt24:23) And then He describes what it will be like when He comes again, "as the lightning comes out of the east and shines even to the west, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man" (vs27) That's when He comes back to the Mt. of Olives.

One final thought...regarding false doctrine. Paul warns that "even if an angel from heaven" should proclaim something different, "let him be accursed." (Gal1:8) And how do angels appear? as "light" (2Cor11:14-15) And John proclaims that there are "even now" many antichrists (1Jn2:18)

There are MANY dreams, visions and out-of-body experiences where people experience darkness, light, and various situations of "calm", "peacefulness" and "love." That's part of what "Touched by an Angel" is all about.

The Faith we have right now until Christ returns, is one of which Peter says, "...Though NOW YOU DO -NOT- SEE HIM, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, (1Pet1:8)

If Scripture says that we -don't- see Him "now" ...that we are waiting for His "glorious appearing" (Tit2:13) ...then, we have to assume that any other "vision" like that is -NOT- really Jesus. It is satan's counterfeit. -An- "antichrist". And the rest of your dream, with the darkness, light, calm...is very similar to what other occult visions are like, as testified by those who have had them. For...if it really had been Jesus who was in the dream, He would not have been ignoring you. Jesus doesn't come to us, only to shun us. He is the One Who invited, "Come to Me...and I will give you rest." (Mt11:28) Those are not the words of someone who is not paying attention.

Q/A -God Speaking through Dreams?

Addendum: WARNING!! -January 8-

This is a warning and caution, especially to women, who tend to be, by their God-given emotional make-up, more "vulnerable" to these things. But men...pay attention, too! Please pardon, but the subject matter necessitates being somewhat 'graphic'.

Remember that the days prior to Christ's return, He said would be like the "days of Noah." (Mt24:37,Lk17:26)

In the days of Noah there were disobedient "spirits" who are now "in prison." (1Pt3:19-20) These are ones who didn't keep to their proper "domain" (NKJV) "estate" (KJV) "place" (MKJV/LITV) and are in a place, being reserved for judgment. (Jude6) These are the angels ("sons of God") who apparently changed their form, and had intercourse with women. ("daughters of men")(Gen6:1-2)

How is this information related to -visions-? VERY IMPORTANT!!! On various occasions I hear/read of/from women who have had some vision, encounter, hallucination, dream, etc. where they see or find some "male" figure communicating with them, or approaching them. They often -think- it's "Jesus." In some cases, it seems the figure -wants-to- have relations with the woman. The woman is troubled...the figure goes away. More often I hear of the woman seeing the figure, and the terms used to describe the entity are ones of "DESIRE" ...on-the-part-of-the- woman. The woman (especially if she claims to be a "Christian") would never admit, in words, that she "wanted" this entity, but the words indicating -deep-desirous-emotions- usually betray her true heart. Remember Paul's words about "silly women loaded with sins, led away with different -kinds- of -lusts-" (2Tm3:6)

In case you think this is getting a bit "far-fetched" consider Eve. When the serpent approached her, the subject was the "fruit" of the tree. But Eve's emotions were ones of "desire" (Gen3:6) Observe the next thing they noticed...THEY'RE "NAKED" (vs7) What did fruit or obedience have to do with -nakedness- unless something -else- was going on in that encounter? Either in reality, or simply with the emotions?

Keep in mind... a high percentage of the demonic "alien abductions" include sexual/reproductive "experiments".

What should you do if you have one of these experiences? Remember that it is -NOT- "Jesus"!! In addition to the fact that He will be coming "like lightning" when He comes, Jesus would -never- stir up sensual, sexual desires like that. He -specifically- stated about heaven that "they neither marry nor are given in marriage." (Mt22:30,Mk12:25) Jesus is not going to ask something of you that He has stated, in Scripture, does not exist in that realm.

Since it's not Jesus, you know it's a demon "transformed as [a] minister of righteousness" (2Cor11:15) appearing as that "handsome hunk". And since it -is- happening, and Jesus said that angels -don't-, you can know that it is another case of them not keeping their "proper place". When they come to you in this manner, they are exceeding their proper bounds. They are doing so in -disobedience- to God!

Do what Jesus did when confronted by Satan... "GO, SATAN!!" (Mt4:10) "Get outta here! Leave me alone!" Remember, if we "resist the devil..he will flee.." (Jas4:7)

If you were to allow such an encounter, what would be "so wrong" with it? Well, remember "two become one..." (1Cor6:16) What happens if you become -one- with a demon in such a fashion? Does such an act forfeit one's salvation? (For newer subscribers, recommended reading: "Twelve Kinds of People" esp #11. under Aug'97 commentaries) I don't know if there is any Scripture that says one way or the other. But, why dabble around with fire and take chances, for momentary euphoria?? Is this where the expression, "selling one's soul to the devil" comes from?

Don't think, for a moment, that just because you are a "Christian" that it can't happen to you!! Satan would like nothing better than to lure you away from God. If you resist him "by faith" you will "live". But if you "draw back" God says, "My soul shall have no pleasure in him" (Heb10:38) And if you do "withdraw" from God (vs39) that's it! You can -never- come back to Him! (Heb6:4-6) You're finished! Forever!!

Thus, Peter writes -to- BELIEVERS...

"Be sensible and vigilant, because your adversary the Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour, whom firmly resist in the faith..." (1Pt5:8-9)

And Paul... "neither give place to the devil." (Eph4:27)

Final -public- thoughts: -January 10-

The last mailing on this subject closed with Paul's words "neither give place to the devil" (Eph4:27)

Several more e-mails have come in. Some telling of experiences and happenings. Some rather bizarre stuff! But one common 'theme' seems to emerge. Not exclusively... but it seems that people with charismatic/Pentecostal backgrounds experienced these -often- lurid visions while in fellowship with these groups. When they left, the visions stopped.

Remember, in the past we have spoken of "emptying" and "opening" the mind to be "spirit-filled." Raising the hands and mantracizing "fill me, fill me." Remember our recent study on what happens when the "unclean spirit" finds an "empty" house. (Mt12:43-45)

Paul writes, "Do not yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin..." (Rom6:13a) Some of you write, telling me that you are in one of these 'fellowships' and you see all the problems. But you're STILL THERE!!! When you continue to stick around, you put yourself in harm's way, and the potential for these demonic experiences. You will -never- "win" them by staying. But they will drag you down!! You stay 'fellowshiping' in the midst of that garbage, you are in SATAN'S TERRITORY! He has 'access' to you. You are, by your very presence, opening your heart's door to him. "Giving place" to the devil...

"..but yield yourselves to God, as one alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not have dominion over you..." (13b-14)

"Therefore come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing. And I will receive you...." (2Cor6:17)



Baptism for Salvation?

Dear VW, I am a Christian, however I am not baptised (for the moment). My question is, can we be saved even though one is not being baptised (before we die) . The bibles says that we need to be baptised to receive salvation. So what is your view on this puzzling question. Do good Christians who are not baptise are left without being saved. [sic]

Paul writes to Titus, "not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit." (Tit3:5) When we are saved, we -are- baptised "into death" with Christ. (Rom6:4) The Holy Spirit does this as He comes in to dwell (Rom8:9) and "seals" us. (Eph1:13)

Water baptism is a "physical expression" and "testimony" of the inner transformation which [already] happened in the heart. Water baptism is a "work" ...and we know that salvation is "not of works" (Eph2:9)

Now...of all people who should be baptizing, for all the evangelizing he did...it ought to be Paul, right? And he says, "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel; not in wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect. (1Cor1:17) If water baptism was so important (essential) Paul would have been baptising right and left. But he didn't.

Of course, a Believer is going to "want to" be baptized, in -obedience- to Christ. (Mt28:19) But we do not "follow the Lord into the waters of baptism" like typical Baptists teach. The Lord's baptism was for an entirely different purpose than ours is. But that's another subject. But if it is not possible to be baptized, and it comes time to die, or the Lord returns...that water has no bearing on one's eternal destiny. The -heart- does.

A set of Q/As on "Baptism"


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