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Re: Solomon was 'black'?

READER QUESTION:
My uncle told me that Solomon was black. I say no way because he was Jewish and David and Bathsheba were both Jewish, then he said there are black Jews (but they were converted, right?) So I asked Chapter and verse: SS1:5-6 I think that's the woman speaking, that maybe she was black. Since it said black in the Bible, I figured it really was race. What do you say?

VW ANSWER:
Solomon was Hebrew. (Gen14:13, Ex1:15) [The term "Jew" came about more during the days after Israel (the northern kingdom) had been taken captive, and it was Judah (southern kingdom) left, and dealing with Babylon. The word "Jewish" first appears in 2Ki18, and "Jew" in Esther] Abraham and Sarah migrated over from Ur, what is today Iraq, near Iran. For that matter, after the flood, that's where -all- humanity migrated from.

What color was the skin of Noah's family?

Without going into details we don't wish to get into here, it is thought that humanity started out more "fair" skinned. Those who hold to a "water canopy" (Gen1:6-7) theory of the pre-diluvian earth suggest that the greater shielding from the sun's rays made darker pigmentation unnecessary, which is also partly related to the greater life longevity we read about in Genesis. After the flood, as people migrated, what do we see today? The closer to the poles one goes, the fairer the skin colors; and closer to the equator, the darker...whether Africa, Indonesia, India, the indigenous peoples of northern Australia, etc.

Since these skin tones today are part of the genetic makeup, one has to wonder but what some 'event' took place back during those early days, after the people had been scattered due to the languages, and the earth was "divided" (Gen10:25); once people were more-or-less 'in' their respective regions, as she says, "...because I am black, because the sun has looked upon me" (SS1:6); that this (sun) event not only gave the less-protected people a dark 'tan', but also embedded it into their genetics? What were God's ways in these matters?

But, lacking any Scriptural word to the contrary, or otherwise, we would assume Solomon was of the heritage with 'lighter' skin tones; since that is the predominant makeup of Israel.

Yes, today there are 'black' Jews found in the mid and lower African continent. But this, in the years 'after' the dispersion. Why are they black? Due to intermarriage into the black gene pool? (black being a "dominant" gene) We should remember that one of the reasons Israel was dispersed was due to their idolatry, as they traded in marriage with the surrounding nations. They started doing it in the wilderness (Num25), and they hark back to it after the Babylonian captivity (Ezr9:14) So, after several millennia of intermarriage, what happens to the diaspora?

Also: remember that Solomon had 1000 wives and concubines. One of his wives was an Egyptian princess. What were the rest of those 999? Many were from the pagans surrounding Israel. (1Ki11:1-3) The queen of Sheba came to visit. And it says that Solomon gave her, "all her desire" (1Ki10:13) Seeing as how Solomon was a ladies' man....what did that (all her desire) include? ...since it says that when she saw all of Solomon's spendor that it "took her breath away" (1Ki10:5) So....for all of his women, it wouldn't surprise me in the least that he had a black woman (as recorded in SS), or two...or more. That didn't mean -they- were 'Jewish'. But Solomon was.

And just because Solomon was with a black woman, doesn't mean Solomon was black. The greater likelihood is that he was not. His father, David, was a red-head (1Sa16:12), as that gene also came from Isaac or Rebekah to Esau. (Gen25:25) Yes, there are red-headed blacks; but usually red-heads are also fair-skinned.

However, when it comes right down to it: Scripture doesn't address the matter one way or the other.


Q/A -Solomon came from Africa!

INTRODUCTION:
Every once in awhile, somebody writes, strongly objecting to the trivia item, and other things; and those of black ethnicity, particularly, with the idea to 'straighten' me out. This person wrote waaaay more than there is room to include here. Hopefully, there is enough included here to convey the gist of the exchange...


READER COMMENTS:
hi, regarding solomon and what his skin colour looked like in his time. what people seem to mis understand is that "black" people have all different shades, facial structure, and skin tone. only black people have this.

there are ethiopians with european facial structures who are NOT mixed race. there are NOT any europeans with AFRICAN facial structures who are NOT mixed race. there are africans with CHINESE facial structure who are not mixed and so on and so forth. so when you have a problem with solomon being "black" it is due to your ignorance of the variety of african characteristics. in any case, RACE and skin color was not a huge factor in that time, as it is today. the emphasis back then was on heritage, and country/culture. that was the main difference.

solomon was of AFRICAN ancestry. THAT is the fact, and the people of africa have varied skin tones, but he was clearly NOT white as hollywood will like you to beleive. why? well lets start with his lineage:

Abraham was from the land of UR, whose inhabitants were black , he was the father of isaac, who was the father of jacob, and so on and so forth until you get to jesse the father of david, and then solomon..david's son. In Genesis 10, Nimrod, son of Cush (whose name means "black"), founded a civilization in Mesopotamia. In Genesis 11, Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees, a land whose earliest inhabitants were blacks.

VW ANSWER:
However....unless you don't believe the Bible....Abraham-thru-Solomon came through Shem... NOT Nimrod/Cush. (Lk3:23-36, 1Chr1) -ALL- three of Noah's sons were in the same Babel region....those who became the black races, white races, yellow races, etc. For a period of time they -all- resided in the regions, of which UR was a part. They all came through Noah, in the ark, through the flood, and began to build the 'tower' of Babel, until God split them up with the many languages. Nimrod came through the 'cursed' line through Ham (Gen9:22-27) Abraham/Solomon came through the 'blessed' line of Shem (Gen9:26)

To speak of things "African" (Cush), as you do, does not really address Solomon, because he came through Shem. (Thus also, hatred of Jews is called anti-Semitism...from their heritage in Shem)


READER COMMENTS:
Genesis 14 tells how Abrahamís experiences in Canaan and Egypt brought him and his family into areas inhabited by peoples who were very likely black. Both archaeological evidence and the account in 1 Chronicles 4 tell us that the land of Canaan was inhabited by the descendants of Ham.

VW ANSWER:
But what does this have to do with Solomon? When Abraham/Solomon came through Shem?

What is your point? Are you engaging in revisionist history BY ASSOCIATION? Just because Abraham and the rest of his progeny were in proximity to blacks....therefore they were also black? That's not the way -genetics- works!


READER COMMENTS:
Further black presence can be found in the accounts of Hagar the Egyptian, Ishmael and his Egyptian wife, and Ishmaelís sons, especially Kedar.

VW ANSWER:
Again....apples and oranges. Solomon did not come through Hagar. He came through Isaac. " for in Isaac your Seed shall be called." (Ge21:12)


READER COMMENTS:
so when you argue about solomon NOT being black, you need to ask why you are doing this. is this because you actually undertstand the make up of ALL black (AFRICAN) people, or because you are basing your view on the current post atlantic slave trade/colonial view of black people?

VW ANSWER:
I am basing it on the Scriptures. You must ask yourself why -you- are arguing the way you are. Is it because you are trying to manufacture a black superiority and origination for the human race?

Your arguments about all the different 'kinds' of black people can also apply to whites....as one might travel from the British Isles, eastward across Europe, into Russia. Same is true of orientals: their skin tones and bone scrutures vary from nation to nation. In all the races, skin tones, bone structures, and such things vary... and if there is any inter-marrying, even moreso.

The only way the human race might have originated "in Africa" is if the Garden of Eden was in Africa, before the flood. But even there, the scholarship, based on the river-heads and such things, suggests somewhere where Asia and Europe meet. But -post- flood, the Scriptures are -quite- clear. They left the ark and settled in the regions that are today Iraq/Iran, where Ur also was. -ALL- Noah's descendents. And from there they migrated east and west. Cush/Nimrod were migrating to Africa before Abraham moved out of Ur. When Abraham and Lot arrived in the regions of Canaan, the others had -already- arrived there in their migrations. When Abraham went to Egypt, Egypt -already- existed....whether they were yet 'black' at that point, who knows....Abraham came in as a -stranger-, a "sojourner", as living in a "foreign country" (Heb11:9) If there was any 'black'ness in the region, Abraham was not part of it. And when it was time for Isaac to have a wife, he did not marry the local girls, but took a bride from family up north. Ditto with Jacob.

Even though there might have been intermarrying going on among the peoples, we are given distinct accounts how both Isaac and Jacob got their wives from the Shemite stock, not Ham (locally). And when Dinah was defiled, Levi and Simeon put on their swords and wiped out Shechem's whole city. (Ge34)

    "And Rebekah said to Isaac, I am weary of my life because of the daughters of Heth. If Jacob takes a wife of the daughters of Heth, like these daughters of the land, what kind of life is that to me? And Isaac summoned Jacob and blessed him, and charged him, and said to him: You shall not take a wife from the daughters of Canaan. Arise, go to Paddan, to the house of Bethuel your motherís father; and take yourself a wife from there of the daughters of Laban your motherís brother." (Ge27:46-28:2)
There was a purity of seed being preserved.


READER COMMENTS: (2nd e-mail)
first of all... i find this notion of the 3 sons from one man (noah) :ham and shem and japeth being of distinctly different colours to be so hilarious as well as ludicrous. why would noah's sons be white, black, and yellow!? that is another example of distortion of history and claiming to use the bible.

VW ANSWER:
Where did I say this? This, as you have stated it here, has not yet been addressed. All three sons settled in the Babel regions, and from there the dispersion occurred where eventually the colors are delineated. But the question: 'where' did all the colors come from? I don't know, for sure. I have an idea, which might have Scriptural support. Solomon's lover is black, and she says, "the sun has looked upon me" (SS1:6) If one looks at humanity globally, the fair skins are nearer the poles, and the blacks are near the equator, whether Africa, India, equatorial island regions, etc. That is -fact-. But how did such colorations, then, also become part of the genetic makeup of those regions? I have yet to hear a plausible explanation. That, I'm sure, would require an understanding in genetics that is beyond you or me. Or perhaps, as He did with the languages, God did some supernatural work which He understands, and made it so? Part of His work of "determining... the boundaries of their dwellings" (Ac17:26) ?


READER COMMENT:
(which at that time only hebrew was spoken)

VW ANSWER:
There is no indication as to -what- the original language was. Many from the Hebrew Roots persuasion like to pontificate that it was Hebrew....as do many Jews with various certain axes to grind. But in truth...NOBODY KNOWS with certainty.


READER COMMENT:
into many languages, not different skin colours as well. you make much emphasis on the 'curse of ham's line'

VW ANSWER:
It was Ham who committed the sin. (Ge9:22-24)


READER COMMENT:
the use of "anti-semitism" exclusively for "jews" is another ludicrous notion,

VW ANSWER:
It is current useage. -TODAY-, when people speak of "anti-semitism", they are speaking of Jews; no other national group. And I was just connecting the dots for you....that Israel came from Shem (Semites)... NOT Ham, as you were pontificating.


READER COMMENTS:
THE HEBREW ALPHABET does NOT have J. the WORD JEW does NOT exist in the hebrew language. the word anti semitism has been wrongly coined as pertaining to only the current day people calling themselves "jews". not that i support any hatred or persecution of anyone.

VW ANSWER:
What does this argument have to do with the price of tea in China? Did you actually read the 'trivia'? Didn't it already address this? The term "Jew" came about when the Babylonian captives were returning to the land and rebuilding, and the foreign locals, and those of the Roman empire took from their settling of "Judea" (the tribe of Judah), and coined the expression "Jew", which has stuck since then.


READER COMMENTS:
most europeans and current day jews (the present day jews of whom most [80%] are infact ashkenaz's descendants...the son of Gomer) are from the son's of Japeth.

VW ANSWER:
Are you saying they are of Ham or Japheth? Make up your mind!

Present-day Jews are found ALL OVER the WORLD. Ethiopia, India, Europe, China, Japan, etc.etc. Many of them, possibly, not even knowing that they are Jews. What percentage reside where? But to say that -Jews- 'descended' from Gomer? Again, Jews descended from Shem, NOT Japheth. If some Jews were dispersed into Gomer's part of the world, there is likely intermarriaged....but the core origins came through Shem. They are not descendents of Ashkenaz. In furthering their unfaithfulness to God, some have surely intermarried with Ashkenaz, but they originate from Shem.

But Solomon (the original topic) was -before- the dispersion.


READER COMMENTS:
i speak of alot if not most of the old testament main bible characters as being "african" because it is a euro-centric notion of biblical depiction that they all looked like them. cue moses and the 10 commandments!. however, it is also because by saying "Africa" i mean all of current day Africa, AND the middle east peninsula which was part of africa. it is NOT to claim that everyone was nescesarily 'black' alone, even though this blackness is historically and biblically evident.

VW ANSWER:
Are you communicating with -me-....or today's christendom in general? To use these arguments with me says you haven't a clue! Moses was NOT Charleton Heston! In fact, I am almost POSITIVE that how Heston acted in "10 commandments" was -NOT- like how Moses led Israel out of Egypt! The scene where God is calling to Moses, "Moses.... Moooooses" from the burning bush is well-nigh unto blasphemy. They have NO CONCEPT of God!! Nor is Jesus an effeminate white hippy!!!


READER COMMENTS:
eurocentric use of the bible to justify racism to an extreme extent, and european academic exagerrations and distortions of this same history consciously, and subcoinsiously to a lesser extent.

VW ANSWER:
Huh??? Again.... the price of tea in China?


READER COMMENT:
group who do not give a hoot about either version of history .

VW ANSWER:
Don't forget.... there is a lot from history that, with current information, is impossible to know at this time. History is written by "winners". Regarding many things, it is likely that -all- 'versions' (as presently available) are wrong.


READER COMMENTS:
and the ancient Hebrew israelites who's decsendants are according to the bible, history, cultural history, archeology, and dna science are most likely the africans that were sold away as slaves to the americas mostly from west africa but also parts of east africa as trying to be 'militant' i suggest you find out the real facts that are being put across not just by 'militant' black people but there have been generations of european scholars over the years who have also alluded to these facts..

VW ANSWER:
OK.....now, perhaps, we are coming a little closer to truth? You're not so much interested in Biblical appearances....but looking for your own roots? And that's understandable. While I am of German/Irish ancestry, I have certain reasons to wonder if, if my genealogy was taken back far enough, if I have any roots in Israel (the Diaspora also went into Europe...and certain European names first appear in Israel). I grew up as a child in Japan, thus my earlier mention of "Japan", as in recent years I have come to understand the similarities between Japan's Shinto religion, and the OT ark of the covenant, and many various rituals, and God's promise of restoration of Israel from the "rising of the sun". (Is59:19)

If (if) it is the case that the Africans taken into slavery had ties to Israel, that would only prove to an even greater degree the reasons why God sent Israel into exile, due to their pagan idolatry and witchcraft. Africa has been called the "dark continent", not so much because of skin colors, but due to its predominant entrenchment in paganism and witchcraft. Once moved to the western hemisphere it was called VooDoo. And once in America, that pagan background became the basis for much of what we see today in demonic pentecostalism, and the entire corruption of the music and entertainment industry. Take most of today's entertainment industry and go back far enough, it has 'black' roots. (No, this is not my 'white' mouth speaking....this was explained to me many years ago by a black Christian friend I had, who had grown up in the New Orleans area. And if you know as much as you claim to... you know it is truth.) The only reason there is something called "black church" is because the slaves conformed to their white masters in terminology. But in its true spirit its roots are steeped in the paganism of what was called VooDoo....just change labels a bit, add references to "Jesus" and "Lord"....but it is the same pagan spirit. That which, go back far enough, if it has Jewish roots (as you suggested)....is the result of Israel's paganism; the reason for which God punished them, and exiled them.

It doesn't matter, the color of the skin, or the region of the world.... sin is sin, righteousness is righteousness. God is holy, and does not tolerate sin. But "commands all men everywhere to repent" (Ac17:30)


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